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ZANESVILLE SALE
Anyone from N.W.O. going to the Zanesville sale? I have some rats that need to get to my good Buddy Nick Bower. I will be more than happy meeting
someone tomorrow. Send me a message with your phone number.
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Don
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You all be careful driving over there Sunday. I hope the roads will be cleared after all the snow that is due to fall.
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MB
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Sale is cancelled on Sunday March 9 and rescheduled for Saturday March 22 !
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Keith Daniels
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29th now, see top thread
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You might want to reconsider even having it if you are going that late with it. Most will probably ship up north. That's what I'm going to
do with my 60 beaver and other assorted pelts that I haven't sold yet unless someone calls me with a good offer for them.
Randy
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I think you're right to a degree. The bigger problem I see is we'll lose the buyers that are NAFA shippers.
You can still get stuff to FHA after the sale, Griffith's run is the next weekend.
The guys that won't ship anyway will hold their fur, unless their local buyer is a NAFA shipper and tells them they're dropping the price
after they can't get fur on the May sale, and they go ahead and sell instead of taking a chance at Zanesville.
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Do to the circumstances surrounding the delay in the auction date why not have a NAFA pick up at the auction if people decide to go that route?
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Thad has a good idea.
If a NAFA agent would show up, and could get my fur on the May sale if I don't sell it, I will hold off shipping and take my fur to Zanesville.
NAFA's last receiving date is 3-31-08. If one of the NAFA agents would have a truck there, he could not only get the trapper fur that is pulled
but he could also get the fur buyers fur if they were so inclined. Then the fur buyers could get their fur on the May sale also.
It's something to think about. I know of several that are considering shipping because of the late date of the sale.
Randy
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half ton
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Keith
Two questions
Not having ever shipped to NAFA. How much fur would a person need to make it worth it. I know I don't have much and feel it wouldn't help me
this year(to ship) but there might be some that would.
How do you go about giving your number up at the auction this year without messing up getting one next year if you do want to drop out and ship?
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Let me give some input here.
I'm afraid the OSTA is in a very undesirable position on this matter. I for one look forward to it, if for no other reason I get to see people
there I don't normally see during the year, and I can usually talk someone into buying me breakfast! I have fur to sell that I hold just for
that sale. I reckon a lot of you guys are the same.
Dates: March 9th, opps mother nature wiped that one out. March 15, Banquet, March 23, Easter weekend, March 29, Reg C meet. April 5, Reg B meet.
And I'll say this, no one, sorry Mark, thought about the 29th as the date of the Reg C meet.
NAFA: With Waz being a receiving agent I'd think he could shed some light on the dates for us here? I do know from the NAFA adds their last date
is March 31st. I would guess that date is in Canada or perhaps the far northern US border?
FHA: Pickup dates for our area is April 4th I believe.
If we cancel the sale all together that is most likely going to upset some people. Thats understood. As well as lose the revenue from the sale. The
other side is this. These events don't just happen. It takes a lot of time and man power to make it happen. I know people come and volunteer
their time for this and thank the lord for that. I understand there had been 53 lot numbers assigned for this sale. What if most go ahead and ship
becuase of the timing of this or sell locally prior to the sale? Will there be anyone show for the sale? Sellers or buyers? It's a tough call
at best.
And to answer your question Russ, I see no reason not to ship one piece of fur if you want to do that. If you are not a member of the wild life
shippers council you pay a determined amount for shipping charges, if I remember correctly it's like maybe $.20/.25 per coon perhaps, less on
say rats. Then you pay 11% on the final selling price you get. That is just deducted from your check by NAFA. It's not complicated to send
items.
As well, NAFA donates back to the OSTA 1% or maybe 1-1/2% from "all" Ohio fur sold there. I don't know for certain about Fur
Harvesters.
How about some feed back here guys, asap.
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Another thought. Easter is on Sunday not Saturday. My family celebrates Easter but to go to a fur sale on Saturday does not interfere with Easter
Sunday in the least. The only thing that comes to mind would be the possibility of some people travelling out of state and therefore could not make
the sale on Saturday. The 22nd could work. Has it been explored via telephone calls to buyers, sellers, and helpers or was it just assumed that since
Easter was on Sunday that the day before would not be a good day to have the sale. Just something else to consider. It might not work for everyone but
if it worked for a good majority then it ought to be considered.
Randy
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As far as the 22nd goes, both Nancy and Bob will not do the sale on that date, so that's out.
As far as the NAFA (or FHA) pickup at the sale, it has been discussed many times. And once again, coming from someone who has donated way too many
hours to fur sales in the past, if anybody thinks I'm going to give up yet another day of my limited free time, and spend a small fortune in fuel
to help at a fur sale, which is meant to raise money for our organisation as well as provide an outlet for our members to sell fur, and agree to make
it that simple for somebody to jerk their fur off the table, you all have to be on some very strong medication of some kind. There's a whole lot
of other people who put in time running these things too, many who put a lot more into it than I do now, I bet you'll find they pretty much feel
the same way.
Nick laid it out real good, can't really add much to it. FHA does give a percentage back, I'm not real sure what % either gives.
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This sale is an exception because of unseen and uncontrollable circumstances. That is the only reason why it was suggested having a NAFA truck there.
It would could work for the buyers as well, especially the ones that might not show because if they bought fur they couldn't get it on the May
sale.
FHA commission is 11% I believe, same as NAFA's, unless you belong to the wild fur shippers, which I do, and that brings the commission down to
9%. That is why me and a lot of others would prefer to have the option of going to NAFA with our fur.
To me a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. Take a good medium beaver for example. Look what NAFA paid for them. Offer me 9 or 10 dollars
at our fur sale and it gets pulled. Offer me 13-15 which is still well under what was paid at NAFA and I sell it and take my money that day.
Want to help the OSTA? Then you should try and get as many trappers to bring their fur to the sale as possible not the opposite. No NAFA truck or
outlet to get it to NAFA before March 31st then I ship to NAFA. Simple as that. And I would recommend that others do the same also because as Keith
says a lot of buyers probably won't show.
Randy
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MB
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After being on the phone for nearly 5 hours Saturday morning calling fur buyers and others - let me shed some light. I know of two fur buyers who
would NOT have been able to come to the auction had we scheduled it for 22nd. These two buy a good deal of fur. I did have some ask if we would
still have a good turnout of fur. My opinion only!!! - if we have the commitment to have the fur there to sell - the buyers will be there.
My understanding is that there is another fur auction also scheduled for March 22nd in another state that some are planning on attending.
Nancy
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I had a call today from a buyer who has probably been the biggest buyer at the Zanesville sale for several years. He saw the suggestion on here about
a NAFA truck at the sale. His comment was, if there's ever a truck at one of our sales, he will never buy at any of them again, I'm sure he
isn't the only one that feels that way.
Check with FHA on the commision, you might get a break if you're going to ship a volume of fur, or, buy a fur dealers license and you'll
automatically get the 9%. I'm not sure what the NAFA cost for the shippers councel is, I'll find out in a couple weeks, when you break it
down is it much less than buying a fur dealers license?
Maybe contact NAFA, if you can get it on a truck the 29th and make the sale, I would think they could make arrangements to get it on the 30th?
[Edited on 3-11-2008 by Keith Daniels]
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well if 2 aren't going to be there on the 22nd , are they or others going to be there or not on the 29th.?
was any thought given to the 30th.?
what about the 16th. ?
having the sale at all just 2 days before nafa cut off date and 6 days before FHA'S , i'd say cancell it .
you forget keith , dealers use nafa and fha too , they may need to have there stuff on the way as well.
someone afraid of competion from nafa or fha at our sales ? what a surprize that isn't ! i'm glad you made that comment keith , maybe
it'll wake some people up who read it .
these sales are supposed to be held to benefit trappers .
last i new , nafa gave back 1/2 of 1 % of commision to the state TA .
i think FHA was the same at one time but i don't think they give back anymore but maybe they started doing it again . i haven't sent them
anything for many years .
Mark D. Stackhouse , Region C Director. Life Member OSTA , NTA , NRA , Member of the U.P. Trappers Assn. \" Far better it is to dare mighty
things , to win glorious triumphs , even though checkered by failure , than to take rank with those poor sprits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much
, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat \" - Theodore Roosevelt
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I agree with Mark.I thought our sales was for the trappers.
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NAFA Pickup
Ok, I just got off the phone with Terry Manely, NAFA rep out of Indiana. He stated that in this particular instance he would most likely be able to
accept fur for a couple days after the March 29th date. Possibly have a pickup point in the Zanesville area. This is all I can tell you about this.
If you have questions please direct them to a NAFA rep.
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